sidekicks.
no... not the flip up email/im/phone/camera things that all the kids are using (full disclaimer: i had one 2 years ago).
wex wednesday's is talkin' about the robin's to the batman... the vanna white's to the pat sajak... the barney fife to the andy taylor, etc.
and i'm not at all looking to demean their contribution with the use of the term sidekick... at all. these guys were/are irreplaceable.
rap's greatest 2nd in charge:
1. Flavor Flav - Public Enemy (what, who'd YOU think would be first?!)
2. Vinnie - Naughty By Nature
3. Sen Dog - Cypress Hill
4. Spliff Star - Busta Rhymes
5. Lil' Cease - Biggie
6. Freaky Tah - Lost Boyz
7. Danny Boy - House of Pain
8. Money B - Digital Underground
9. E Love - LL Cool J
10. Willie D - KRS-One
-wex
wex wednesday's is talkin' about the robin's to the batman... the vanna white's to the pat sajak... the barney fife to the andy taylor, etc.
and i'm not at all looking to demean their contribution with the use of the term sidekick... at all. these guys were/are irreplaceable.
rap's greatest 2nd in charge:
1. Flavor Flav - Public Enemy (what, who'd YOU think would be first?!)
2. Vinnie - Naughty By Nature
3. Sen Dog - Cypress Hill
4. Spliff Star - Busta Rhymes
5. Lil' Cease - Biggie
6. Freaky Tah - Lost Boyz
7. Danny Boy - House of Pain
8. Money B - Digital Underground
9. E Love - LL Cool J
10. Willie D - KRS-One
-wex
posted by Hip Hop Karaoke :: NYC at 11:00 AM
68 Comments:
Weezy, old fellow, I think you got just about all of 'em. I was hoping I could call out that E Love one! I'm gonna cheat with this one offering:
Snoop to Dre, circa 1993.
Memphis Bleek to Jay-Z
Mr. Lawnge - Dres (Black Sheep)
Pras - Wyclef/Lauryn
Dice Raw - Black Thought
Rampage - Busta Rhymes
Afu-Ra - Jeru the Damaja
All those wack-ass rappers named after dictators - 2Pac
Sen Dog is by far my favorite of all those sidekicks. He fills his sideick role so perfectly -- just echoing the hooks. "You better be READY!" "We ain't goin' OUT!" "Insane in the BRAIN!"
Puff Daddy (as opposed to Diddy) - Biggie
Trife Diesel - Ghostface (recently)
Man, I guess I was real lazy. The sidekicks keep coming!
With the exception of Mr.Lawnge the sidekicks in the comments are rather large stretches.
the rest of the geto boys - bushwick bill
the rest of 2 live crew - luke
the rest of brand nubian - grand puba
eric b - rakim
jazzy jeff - fresh prince
ez rock - rob base
dj premier - guru
suit- you are way off my man. way off. a dj is not a sidekick. and neither were "the rest of the geto boys"!
thought i might get a rise out of ya on some of those. not that your viewpoint is biased or anything ...
Oh!
Jarobi - A Tribe Called Quest
As in, "who the eff?"
i dont know wex, maybe a dj's not a sidekick, but "the rest of the geto boys" was on point, i was kinda surprised you missed that one
what??
i'm confused, who are you saying is the sidekick in the geto boys?? because they were clearly a GROUP, made up of 3 emcees who all contributed.
look at my list - THOSE are sidekicks. not dj's - not equal contributers.
Had to jump in here..
If Willie D, Big Mike, or Bushwick Bill ever heard themselves referred to as Scarface's sidekick, I think a royal rumble would break out.
If any member of the Geto Boys are a sidekick, then Phife is a sidekick, and Prince Poe is a sidekick, and Eazy E was a sidekick, and so on..
While I have yet to receive my "Sidekick Degree" from Devry, I feel I'm not going out on a limb by saying that a sidekick isn't when a group has a more popular member than another in the group.. When a 12 song album drops, 3 members in the group, 3 verses on each song, and they're all getting split up, that's a group.
A sidekick is when an established rapper has a co-hort.. Tonto to the Lone Ranger.. Mini-me to Dr. Evil.. Spliff Star is the perfect example.. You go to a Busta Rhymes show, he may not be advertised, but Spliff is on stage acting the fool hyping up the gathering... He may have a verse or two on a Busta album, but it's not "Busta Rhymes And Spliff Starr Present : The Big Bang"..
This is not an exact science... But there's rules to this shit people!
; )
AMEN!!!
try these on for size -
shyhiem - wu tang clan
(lil) bow wow - master p
yoyo - ice cube
Prof. Diggs, dropping knowledge.
I always give you an "A" for effort Charlie..
: )
I agree with Strickly, though.. I feel like we're stretching..
Sometimes, you just have to say "yup..those are sidekicks.."..
I'm on the fence about this one, but Skoob and Scrap Lover. Can we view them as Kane's sidekicks? They were at all his old shows and videos with the ill moves.. Can we get a ruling on this one Wex??
50 cent - eminenm
^
I officially give up.
yes, i ALMOST included skoob & scrap... but they were dancers... so i thought it was a reach.
but what the hell - that's a better honorable mention than anyone brought up to this point.
suit - i'm on to you. and your sick sense of humor.
i'ze gots jokes, son.
check it -
shaq - chip fu
I think if you were to go with Skoob and Scrap, you'd have to go with G-Wiz and Trouble T-Roy, Heav's dancers. Maybe that's the topic for next Wedneday: Backup dancers!
So I guess way back when when I couldn't think of a sidekick, that was the way to go, huh? (Even though, I'd still go with my Snoop mention; I'm talking 'Chronic," pre-"Doggy Style" era. Some "Deep Cover" ish.)
its the Def Comedaoke Jam
holy shit, i've got one, for real:
don juan - snoop dogg
Diggedy -> Confessions of Fire
suit - that's your closest yet. diggedy is NOT cof.
I think a-nine-o-muss was sayin' he my sidekick, which is true.
W'sup Confessions of Fire,
Hopefully, you'll still be able to rock a track on March 9th. Take care.
- DJ WEXFORD
Hey J-Digga:
If, in fact, as you claim "there's rules to the shit", then I'm thinking you oughtta write you a manual. You know, a step-by-step booklet type of thing.
Here's another sidekick:
M.C. Skat Kat - Paula Abdul (circa "Opposites Attract")
Oh, and for real:
Charlie Jam - Ice-T
as in "Charlie Jam said 'Buuullshit.'"
Hey cats, it's the real Rob Downey Jr, not this bogus Canuck who tries to impersonate me. Y'all should see my latest movie, Zodiac. Peace.
p.s. The kid has skills, I give him that.
sidekick to the Tipster. He only really asserted himself on Low End Theory, and of course after that there was no stopping him.
I agree that DJ can't be a sidekick.
But the line between affiliate, single-album guest (say, Shorty No Mas or Consequence), sideick, crew member, and hanger-on is difficult to parse.
Flavor Flav is the über-sidekick, of course. He is to Chuck D what the clock hanging around his own neck is to him: a crucial accessory.
Arsenio Hall - Eddie Murhpy (in Coming to America)
Let's see... anything else on my mind?
Nope.
Oops. Part of my message got truncated. Basically I said that if you're gonna include Sen Dog on your list, then how are you gonna beef when people pick other less prominent members of groups? Phife always seemed to me sidekick-ish, until Low End Theory.
Same goes for Vinnie, Money B, and danny boy they're group co-members with Trech, shock G, and everlast respectively. they were without question the weaker half, but not sidekicks.
e love was a producer who got a lot of shout outs on tracks. so if Puffy wasnt a sidekick he wasnt either.
willie d.
these are the good ones:
flav, spliff star, lil cease, willie d (maybe, but then you could include anybody from BDP as KRS' sidekick), Dice Raw (never a coequal member with black thought), Outlawz aka "those whack rappers named after dictators", Trife Diesel, and The Archbishop Don Magic Juan.
that's not ten yet, but its all we really got.
Hallelujah Holla Back!
the reason i included Vinnie, Money B, and Danny boy is because they were not equal contributors to the group. sen dog too. these situations absolutely cannot be compared to groups like the geto boys.
but for the love of jah, diggedy, WHERE is weekend at diggedys?! we need a new topic of debate! this one is TIRED!! :o)
the geto boys suggestion was a joke, wex, let it go.
but vinnie and money b are not sidekicks. they're weaker rappers. the difference between geto boyz and Naughty or Digital is that all three were CAPABLE of carrying tracks/albums/shows by themselves, not that they actually shared stage or track any differently. shock g and trech definately had better verses, but not that many more than money b and vinne (i really dont listen to enough house of pain to accurately comment on danny boy)
but if stregnth of artist is the issue and not volume then everyone who was ever on rocafella (except freeway and kanye) are sidekicks of jay or camron.
i'll let it go when i'm ready, bus. and i'm not. maybe tomorrow, we'll see? yesh yesh ya'll!
its tough to let go of, i been laughin at that for three days now.
hmmmm,
What about everyone in Bodycount who's not Ice-T to Ice T?
In Kris Kross, was the "Mack Daddy" the sidekick to the "Daddy Mack"? or was it the other way around?
In the lame wannabe category, Mike Shinoda of Linkin Park is talentless enough to drag down a band as awful as Linkin Park.
What about Joe C. (RIP) to Kid Rock?
Diggedy will appreciate this one:
The guy in Onyx who does the 2nd verse of "Slam".
H
damn, the hhk blog this week has closely mimicked the F-ing stock market - lots of volume and deterioration.
by the way, i've thought about this some more, and don juan is the very definiition of a sidekick, and among the most prominent technical sidekicks identified in this thread, so i expect the r-e-s-p-e-c-t deservedly coming my way for that. or else i'm going back on the DJ/sidekick attack. don't test me.
fuck the dow jones.
birdman- lil wayne
young dro- t.i.
punjabi mc - jay-z
deion sanders - mc hammer
HA! suit, you finally got an LOL out of me with the neon deion one...
had myself laughing with that one, just kind of came to me as an epiphany. peace.
another bad creation - michael bivins
What, Suit gets props for Deion but I get none for MC Skat Kat?
hillary - bill
Quarter-pounder with cheese -- Eddy Curry
Well Suit, since you brought up MC Hammer you should've brought up his actual sidekick: Too Big....
Not to mention..... Minute Mouse playing comic relief for Courageous Cat....
Smokey - Craig
Justin Timberlake - Timbaland
Black Josh - Shamrock
Blaise Delacroix II - John Brown King of the Brubs
Jaz - Jay-Z
bobby brown - whitney houston
nicole richie - paris hilton
alan greenspan - ben bernanke
my bad, Jay-Z is the sidekick, ala Hawaiian Sophie, and the whole name-biting thing
suit, you think bobby is the sidekick? This whole thing is his prerogative, he can do what he wants to do, its his prerogative.
re bobby and whitney, i can think of arguments either way, but i was thinking more in whitney's favor at the time i posted.
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